Robert Neises – Cessna 182P TKS Testimonial

Robert Neises lives in Northwest Indiana. He has flown his Cessna C182P with No-Hazard TKS Ice Protection all over the United States and Canadian provinces for over 8 years.

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How did you get started in aviation?

I travel a lot to hunt and fish, and never had time to drive. Commercial airlines don’t put you where you hunt and fish.

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Why did you choose TKS?

Boots aren’t available on a Cessna 182. Before the 182 I had a P210, which I got rid of to get into something I could get into more short fields with. So I got the 182 with the Peterson conversion and the bigger engine. Extended the wingtips and added extra fuels tanks. I was happy with the 210 because I could get above some weather, but I couldn’t get into some short fields.

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What does TKS do for your mission?

Around the Midwest they forecast ice about 5-6 months per year. If you don’t have any system at all and you want to fly IFR, you’re pretty much out of luck because they forecast ice more days than they don’t forecast it. With the TKS, as long as you’re not flying into known ice, you can always change your altitude and get out of it.

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Have you flown in aircraft with other ice protection systems?

Yes, I have flown with boots. TKS is a much better system.

If the boots don’t work and ice builds up, it’s too late. If you break off too thin, there is the chance that the ice will not break off. Then it gets hollow underneath when the boots deflate. It’s not something that normally happens, but it can and does.

The TKS keeps ice off the whole wing area, the whole shroud, the cowling and the air cleaner. Of course you can’t see it, but I have never had to use alternate air since I got it. TKS keeps the ice off.  With the system, when you turn it on before takeoff, you’re not going to get any ice through layers.

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Jim S. – Beechcraft A36 Bonanza TKS Testimonial

Jim S. lives in New England and primarily flies throughout New England, the Upper Midwest and the Eastern Seaboard. He owns a 1997 Beechcraft A36 Bonanza equipped with No-Hazard TKS Ice Protection, which he has been flying for over 4 years.

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How did you get started in aviation?

I started flying around 20 years ago after a co-worker introduced me to the idea.

Why did you choose TKS?

TKS is a superior solution compared to pneumatic boots. I have greater confidence that TKS will not fail mid-flight when I need and ask it to perform. There are trade-offs when comparing TKS to boots or unprotected wings. For me, TKS hits the sweet spot on everything.

What does TKS do for your mission?

To be honest, having the system hasn’t improved my own dispatch rate significantly because I have no need to be at a particular place at a particular time. I’m still inclined to sit out weather where TKS would make the difference in dispatching versus not dispatching. Once I am airborne and encounter conditions en route that might have been unforecast or unavoidable, it’s confidence inducing to see the wet wing panels and no ice adherance whatsoever.

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Jon W. – Diamond DA42 FIKI TKS Testimonial

Jon W. lives in the Midwest, and primarily flies throughout the Midwest, East Coast and the South. He owns a 2006 Diamond DA42 equipped with Flight Into Known Icing (FIKI) certified TKS Ice Protection, which he has been flying for over 4 years.

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How did you get started in aviation?

I live in Sioux Falls and mostly use the airplane to commute to Chicago and Minneapolis.

Why did you choose TKS?

I got into a serious icing situation coming into KPWK in a Diamond DA40.  Two minutes in the clouds and the airplane looked like an icicle when I got on the ground.

What does TKS do for your mission?

TKS has definitely opened the flying envelope. I fly year-round and am no longer nervous pushing through a layer to get on top. Still, I avoid serious icing conditions.

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Have you had any memorable experiences with TKS?

It was a simple approach into Sioux Falls. The airplane picked up a lot of ice on unprotected surfaces during the descent . Where the panels are it was perfectly clean. That definitely gave me confidence in the system.

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Randal W. – Beechcraft V35B Bonanza TKS Testimonial

Randal W. lives in the Midwest and flies throughout the Midwest, East, South and West. He owns a 1973 Beechcraft V35B Bonanza equipped with No-Hazard TKS Ice Protection, which he has been flying for over 10 years.

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How did you get started in aviation?

I have always had a passion for aviation and have family members in aviation. Developed a medical legal consulting practice that necessitates flying, so I fly almost daily.

Why did you choose TKS?

Because I live in the Midwest and fly almost daily year-round, there is a need for ice protection. Anyone whose business requires travel on a daily basis will benefit from TKS.

What does TKS do for your mission?

TKS allows me to fly all winter.

Any truly memorable experiences in icing with TKS?

Always gives me peace of mind.

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Scott M. – Beechcraft F33 Bonanza TKS Testimonial

Scott M. lives in the West and flies throughout the United States and Mexico. He owns a 1975 Beechcraft F33 Bonanza equipped with No-Hazard TKS Ice Protection, which he has been flying for over 10 years.

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How did you get started in aviation?

Always had a desire to fly but had to wait until I was about 30 to fund the lessons.

Why did you choose TKS?

TKS is insurance to get rid of the ice if I ever encounter unexpected icing conditions.

What does TKS do for your mission?

I will fly in marginal weather using the TKS system to get on top of any potential icing and again when descending.  My Bonanza is turbo normalized by Tornado Alley and I typically fly around FL200 – FL210.

Any truly memorable experiences in icing with TKS?

The first time I used TKS, it was amazing to see how it took the ice off.

 

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Todd Sanderson – Beechcraft C55 Baron FIKI TKS Testimonial

Todd Sanderson lives in New England and owns a 1967 Beechcraft C55 Baron that is equipped with Flight Into Known Icing (FIKI) certified TKS Ice Protection.

The post below from Beechtalk.com is used with Mr. Sanderson’s permission.

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Was able to put TKS to the test today.

Flew to Racine, Wisconsin and back in freezing IMC across Lake Michigan. About an hour trip each way. On the way there I mostly was below the clouds and had some impact snow on the leading edges after landing. Did not use the TKS as I wanted to build up some ice and see how it handled the ice after it already formed.

So, 1 1/2 hours later a warm front is moving in and ceilings go down. I prime the system on the ground, but do not leave it on. I enter IMC at 2500 ft and start picking up ice at 3500 ft with my final altitude at 7000 with light rime being constant. After the windshield gets covered I flipped on the TKS and wait. The tail now has probably 1/4 inch on it, but I have not lost any speed. I really can’t see the leading edges of the wings other than the left inboard which starts to peel off the ice immediately. After roughly 30 minutes the tail starts to shed ice off the left side and is completely clean (Temp was 14F.) The right side shed about 1/2 the surface area.

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After landing I looked the whole plane over. The props were completely clean other than the front of the spinners. Left tail was clean, right tail about 1/2 clean. Right and left wings were about 1/2 clean as well. The vertical was 100% clean. The inlets air inlets on the side of the cowls had about 1/2″ ice on the front lip and so did the comm antennas, but there was no ice anywhere else on the plane. I think that the slinging TKS does a good job of coating the airframe.

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The windshield easily shed the ice with two momentary cycles of the switch.

So, given time the TKS will shed the ice – even almost 20F below freezing; however, it would be wise to have it operating well in advance of the ice. In fact, I am going to carry a small 1/2 gallon sprayer to spray the leading edges or whatever needs de-iced if ice is already on the plane.

BTW, I used just over 2 gallons in the 40 minutes or so I had the system on. I had it on “maximum for roughly 7 minutes during that time.

Anyway, the system works – just need to use it correctly.

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The real bonus to this plane is the FIKI TKS system. This system makes icing virtually a non-issue when flying in freezing conditions. I have owned Barons, Dukes, 310s and many other planes with boots and there is absolutely no comparison. The TKS fluid covers the entire air frame making it impossible for ice to stick to anything. Please see the attached pictures showing the ice on the unprotected wingtips vs the rest of the plane. We were in icing conditions for an hour over Lake Michigan and lost no discernible airspeed. The only ice was on the wingtips, the comm antenna, and the prop spinners. I can’t stress enough what a great safety tool this is if you fly in icing conditions. If you cancel a trip, it will not be due to icing forecasts.Todd S - Beechcraft C55 Baron FIKI 03

Now, having owned 10 aircraft with boots let me tell you what I did not like about them:

  1. Boots need cleaned (scrubbed) to keep bugs and grime off. They also need stripped to get old sealant off before you put new on. You then have to put new sealant on which is dirty and takes time. I spent about 10 hours a year just keeping the boots nice.
  2. Boots require proper grounding using special “glue” and if it is not done right the boots get pin holes from static electricity.
  3. Boots get holes from debris or just use and age. Patches look horrible.
  4. Boots realistically last 15 years if you treat them right. They can last 20+ years in a hangar if the plane is not flown much. Figure about $1000 per year for maintenance and replacement.
  5. The total weight of a booted plane is about the same as a TKS plane with fluid when you take into consideration that you no longer need a pressure system if you have a glass panel.
  6. Not having to replace a $600 pressure pump every year or two is nice. Also nice having to replace regulators and the $1350 “shuttle valve” under the floor that nobody replaces on it’s 10-year schedule.
  7. With the 2 extra gallons of fluid I carry I have about 3+ hours of icing protection. The longest time expected to *stay* in icing conditions is about an hour maximum. I can’t imagine having a trip away from home where I would need 3+ hours of protection.
  8. Most booted planes have heated props which are not as effective as the TKS and are maintenance intensive. I have replaced my fair share of prop heater boots, brushes, and “timers” – many of which have been discontinued and are priced like unobtanium. Any FIKI booted plane also has a horrible $7k heated windshield strip that rarely works and is ugly. I have flown enough of them to learn to hate them.
  9. The boots do not keep ice off the airframe like TKS does. I was in constant ice for 30 minutes and had little icing on the plane.
  10. I had a FIKI booted 210 that nearly killed me due to it’s inability to remove ice that this plane system would have not struggled with. Rich Kaplan was so disgusted with his FIKI 210 that he replaced it with TKS.

I do agree the fluid is a little bit of work, but it is nothing compared to maintaining boots to keep them healthy and looking good. I also agree that the TKS leaves a couple puddles in the hangar if you don’t turn off the TKS before you land. Having owned both systems I will take the TKS.

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John Lockhart – Beechcraft C55 Baron FIKI TKS Testimonial

John Lockhart lives in Southwest Colorado. He previously owned a 1966 Beechcraft C55 Baron equipped with Flight Into Known Icing (FIKI) certified TKS Ice Protection. He and his daughter flew the airplane within Colorado for training purposes.

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w did you get started in aviation?

I started 30 years ago and worked my way up from being a flight instructor to being an airline pilot. I own a business and fly for a business.

Why did you choose TKS?

Honestly, I bought the airplane so I could teach my daughter multi rating instructor. It was just the right airplane that happened to have TKS.

What did TKS do for your mission?

The mountains get pretty high. We have MEAs between us and Denver at 17,000 feet. Even on warmer days there’s still a chance of ice. We have to worry about ice up there. It was nice to have TKS because we could train on more days than just clear skies.

Have you had any memorable experiences with TKS?

We took the Baron over the Rockies to Denver. At 17,000 feet or so there was a pretty decent amount of ice. I fly a King Air as well and don’t really hesitate to go into icing in that airplane. But I was a little hesitant in this airplane because I’d never done it. So I picked a day where I could have escaped pretty easily if I wanted to.

The airplane got into light to moderate icing just in and out of the tops where it tends to be real heavy. I could tell because I didn’t turn the windshield spray bar on. It was the kind of day where the sun was shining on the top. Outside air temperature was probably -8 or so. Those are the kind of conditions where you can find quite a bit of icing right at the tops. The sun melts it, supercools the drops and puts a lot of ice on the plane. I was amazed. The TKS system not only kept the wings clean, the slinger on the prop sprayed TKS fluid everywhere.

All of the other places where you tend to see ice build up on a Baron didn’t happen. I had a P-Baron before this, so I know how it acted. The typical thing I’d see in the P-Baron, which I took into icing all the time, is that it would scrub 10 knots when you got into icing, then it would be fine from there. This Baron didn’t do that at all. No airspeed effect, no icing anywhere. More of the plane is protected by TKS fluid, so in icing there is less parasitic drag than a booted plane. It was pretty impressive. From that point forward, I punched into ice without even worrying. It performed great.

How does TKS compare to other ice protection systems?

Boots are some work to maintain. There are a lot of parts. Any little holes in the boots tend to degrade the boots’ usefulness. As far as performance in ice, if I had to choose between TKS or boots in a small airplane, I would choose TKS every time.

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Mark Johnson – Beechcraft G36 Bonanza TKS Testimonial

Mark Johnson lives in Southern Illinois and primarily flies within the Midwest, Southeast and sometimes West Coast. He previously flew a 2008 Beechcraft G36TN Bonanza with No-Hazard TKS Ice Protection for 3.5 years. The airplane is currently for sale.

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How did you get started in aviation?

I had flown in a lot of corporate planes for clients I represented, found out how convenient it was, and one day talked to a pilot who was working for a company that sold airplanes. In 2010 I got connected with an instructor, went through private pilot, instruments and then became multi qualified.

Why did you choose TKS?

TKS was the only system available for Bonanzas at that point. When I got TKS and started using the system, I found it was as advertised. If I had to choose from boots and TKS in a Bonanza, I would choose TKS because the system is better. It adds tremendous utility to that Bonanza.

What did TKS do for your mission?

I bought the aircraft specifically because of the TKS. I would not buy a G36 without TKS. I practice law and used the plane every week in my business. I’m not a guy that flies for fun. I fly to get from Point A to Point B when I need to get there. I needed to have dispatch reliability, and I needed to have the ice protection that the TKS offered. So I specifically hunted for a Bonanza G36 that had the TKS system.

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Have you had any memorable experiences with TKS?

It’s peace of mind to know you have that protection. If you have to climb up through two or three thousand feet of clouds or IMC to get where you’re going, and there’s a chance you may pick up ice, with both turbocharging and the TKS system you can handle that if you turn the system on early.

A handful of times I’ve flown through areas where you’re getting reports of moderate rime ice from other aircraft. My TKS system is on and the airplane gets nothing. The system effectively keeps the ice off that people with boots are having to deal with. It’s interesting to see that. The system works pretty damn good because I don’t have any ice.

Have you flown in aircraft with other ice protection systems?

Yes, I now have a P-Baron with boots. Boots are a bigger pain to take care of. I just finished treating my boots, stripping them down. The only thing I ever did with the TKS system was change the filter in it. That was with 3.5 years of ownership.

I much prefer to have TKS over the boots. I like TKS for a lot of reasons; the biggest one is that you get fluid runback that keeps ice off the wings—both top and bottom. It works great.

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Additional comments

The other thing I like about the TKS system is the slinger ring propeller. The brushes on hot props are a problem to constantly deal with. Sometimes you won’t realize you have an issue with one until you’re actually flying.

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Peter Sobry – Beechcraft G36 Bonanza TKS Testimonial

Peter Sobry lives in Belgium and flies throughout Western Europe. He previously owned a 2007 Beechcraft G36 Bonanza with No-Hazard TKS Ice Protection, which he flew for 4.5 years.

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Why did you choose TKS?

There was no other option available on the Bonanza. I wanted a de-icing system, and I was happy with the system. If you fly a single-engine piston, there are not many options. I know a lot about the system because my company produces and sells TKS fluid.

 

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Have you flown in aircraft with other ice protection systems?

On the Bonanza I had TKS. Now on the TBM 850 I have boots. I must say, if you have serious icing, boots do not deal with ice very well. I’m really convinced that TKS is better than boots for small aircraft. The accumulation of ice in certain conditions can be so quick. When you look at your boots, you’re waiting and the cycles your boots make takes hours. Well, not really but it feels like that way. As TKS is a continuous system, I felt more confident with the system. With the Bonanza you stay in the weather. You need a system you can trust.

Additional comments

If you fly IFR in Europe (France, England, Germany, Belgium, Poland, etc.), you need it. There’s no other option. You really need TKS to fly safe. Before the G36 I had been flying a Beechcraft 33 without anti-icing, just a hot prop. I have been afraid many, many times and was lucky because I never fell out of the sky. You really need TKS in Europe.

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Wayne Hilterbrand – Mooney M20K TKS Testimonial

Wayne Hilterbrand lives in Utah, commutes to Salem, Oregon and occasionally makes trips to California and Nevada. He owns a 1982 Mooney M20K that is equipped with No-Hazard TKS Ice Protection, which he has been flying for over 5 years.

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How did you get started in aviation?

I always wanted to learn how to fly. While working in Upstate New York, every day when driving home I would pass by the airport and think, “I should learn how to fly.” One day I stopped by the airport, and the next day I was learning how to fly. A lot of it though had to do with my father. He was a pilot who instilled that interest in me.

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Why did you choose TKS?

Honestly, it came with the plane when I bought it. I do have to say that choosing to purchase this airplane was a big driving force for me because it had TKS. Even though it’s a non-FIKI system, I have that margin of safety in inadvertent encounters with ice. To me that’s something invaluable.

What does TKS do for your mission?

I commute back and forth from Salt Lake City to my business in Salem, Oregon quite frequently. Using my airplane as a commuter, TKS is extremely valuable. It gives me a whole lot more confidence. You never know when you’re going to hit inadvertent ice. It’s happened to me between 8-12 times. Even though there was minimal or no forecast ice, and no pilot reports of ice, I started picking up ice. I flipped the on switch and five minutes later the ice was all gone. TKS gives me the peace of mind knowing that if I do run into inadvertent ice, I’m a whole lot safer than if I didn’t have the system.

Additional comments

If I know that I’m going to be flying in visible moisture and subfreezing conditions, I will get the system rolling before takeoff. If I know I’m hitting that kind of weather later in the flight, I’ll prime the system in the air to make sure everything is working and functional. That was one of the things my instructor taught me. You want to be proactive.

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